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The hardest game ever?

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Originally posted by HoorayForJay
Back to the other hilarious topic of tfb pouting, he sent alex his tas folder... then what happened?

All that really happened was that Alex got hold of the TAS folder and sent all of his TASes to us on Skype, including the ones he was trying to keep secret.

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Originally posted by HoorayForJay
Glitch Abuse 2 is longer and prettier than lote. If lote is harder, then completing ga2 should be a good form of "practise", since I'd like to at least give lote a go. I really want to see a video/solution to most of pitiless since I'm crap with working out puzzle hacks.

Back to the other hilarious topic of tfb pouting, he sent alex his tas folder... then what happened?


working on the pitiless thing, and stfu about alex.
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I've come to this conclusion:

Having played lots of difficult hacks, and the following three, I think the hardest hacks ever are rated in this order:

1 - Wall jump abuse
2 - Glitch abuse 2
3 - Living on the edge

The non-walljump bits in walljump abuse are actually what I found hardest. Walljump abuse has the hard parts in glitch abuse 2 and makes it harder, like disco shell hopping and shell juggling, to keeping invincibility frames and keyjumping. Glitch abuse 2 has those devilishly long shell jumps though, which would put it abuse wja, so it's a pretty close second. Living on the edge is practically a condensed version of both, with slightly easier parts. The things I would consider difficult are the block duplication at the beginning, the note block duplication, and maybe keeping running speed in parts. Wja also has more frame perfect jumps needed, with variety of such things.

I can't vouch for pitiless, since there are no video's of it, nor have I gotten very far in it. It could be classed in a completely different category, due to puzzle aspects and time limits. It could be at the top of my list of hardest hacks, but idk, we will have to wait and see when a video is released.
That joke was funny as shit hahaha. Jewston is so gullible.

Anyway, the hardest hack in my opinion would probably be Walljump Abuse. The issue with picking a "hardest" hack is exactly what was mentioned earlier: difficulty is relative to the TASer. "Demonstration hacks," as NMI dubbed them earlier in the thread, are super simple if you know the glitches. That's why I don't consider Living on the Edge to be in my top five at all.

Warning: Opinions expressed by Lexie or others in this post do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions, or position of Lexie himself on the matter(s) being discussed therein.


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Originally posted by Alexander
"Demonstration hacks," as NMI dubbed them earlier in the thread, are super simple if you know the glitches. That's why I don't consider Living on the Edge to be in my top five at all.


Actually now I think about it, the only very difficult bit in lote is probably the very beginning with the block duplication. I haven't even done that room yet, but I've completed all the other rooms, with my rerecords staying below the number of frames. Glitch Abuse 2 and what I've done so far in Wall jump abuse both have more rerecords than frames, but I haven't been able to find a hack that tops living on the edge in terms of difficulty for 3rd place. I may have to watch some more videos/review suggestions.
Glitch Abuse 2 was hard just because gbreeze put a lot of glitches and a lot of which are hard to pull off.
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Originally posted by ShadowDragon121
Glitch Abuse 2 was hard just because gbreeze put a lot of glitches and a lot of which are hard to pull off.

Actually, I find it more difficult for more than just that. No glitch is too hard to pull off (except for the credits glitch, of course), so you can't blame the difficulty on solely that. Even though I know how to do the glitches in it, I still find it difficult because it ties them together in a way that makes it tough to figure your way out. Just look at the first room, even TFB had trouble figuring out he had to force himself into the wall.

LoTE, on the other hand, is rather sloppily done in my opinion. It's very obvious what you're supposed to do in each part. In addition, past the first room, which is only hard due to the precise requirements of far duplication, the entire hack is easier to TAS than even the original SMW.

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I like it when there are shell jumps when it isn't obvious how to use the shell. Turn around and throw it behind you to jump on it? Bounce it off a wall and then jump on it? Drop it, speed up, poke it and then jump on it? In my opinion, levels like those are puzzles in themselves, which wouldn't be obvious when watching a tas. For example, tasing shadowdragons new hack is actually wicked, I've only played the first level but I think it's already a massive step up from pit of trials.

How about, what is the hardest game that DOESN'T abuse any glitches? So far I'm thinking about some of soko's hacks.
I must say that recent pit hacks are incredibly boring and just plain stupid, really. 1,000,000,000,000,000.5 munchers and jumping through 1 tile areas and then doing some 2 wide wall jumps followed by 15 corner clips is not really my definition of fun. It's not because I can't do it, it's just pointless. In my opinion Pitiless actually is a little bit creative at the same time as being quite difficult. I'm giving props to Sadistic for managing to pull this off, you don't see much of that "really hard but not stupid or incredibly gimmicky at the same time" thing. I'd also like to note that worldpeace125 made that one level in Cool or Cruel without any munchers, that still managed to be decently hard, i suppose. (I know spikes are just munchers, but you get the point.)

So, I guess I'm choosing Pitiless as the hardest SMW hack.

As far as hardest games overall go, I'd like to say that some of the BIT.TRIP games are absolutely unforgiving.
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Originally posted by Will
I must say that recent pit hacks are incredibly boring and just plain stupid, really. 1,000,000,000,000,000.5 munchers and jumping through 1 tile areas and then doing some 2 wide wall jumps followed by 15 corner clips is not really my definition of fun. It's not because I can't do it, it's just pointless. In my opinion Pitiless actually is a little bit creative at the same time as being quite difficult. I'm giving props to Sadistic for managing to pull this off, you don't see much of that "really hard but not stupid or incredibly gimmicky at the same time" thing. I'd also like to note that worldpeace125 made that one level in Cool or Cruel without any munchers, that still managed to be decently hard, i suppose. (I know spikes are just munchers, but you get the point.)

So, I guess I'm choosing Pitiless as the hardest SMW hack.

As far as hardest games overall go, I'd like to say that some of the BIT.TRIP games are absolutely unforgiving.


Personally I very much enjoy ridiculous shell/wall jumps, probably just because they look pretty (to me) in the final full speed product. Pitiless, so far, I consider to be easier than some pit hacks I've played. Although you need to be in frame advance for the most of it, I judge difficulty on frame to rerecord ratio, and my smv for pitiless is substantially lower. That said, I've only completed 1.5 levels, so it may get much harder later. For creativity and difficult, I think it would win, but for difficulty alone it would not.

I remember playing one of the bit.trips at a friends house a while ago, it was hard as nails. I bought bit.trap fate ages ago, and was shortly informed that it's like the worst one of the series. Still it's pretty hard, still stuck on level 4...

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