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Originally posted by PMH
I'm wondering why western people don't wear face mask. It's a very important thing to
to do to Asians beside hand washing.

Masks are more of a complement and not a necessity unless you are sick or deal with people who are potentially sick. At work we weren't allowed to wear masks and gloves in any way, but the decision was overturned a while later.
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Originally posted by Katerpie
Originally posted by PMH
I'm wondering why western people don't wear face mask. It's a very important thing to
to do to Asians beside hand washing.

Masks are more of a complement and not a necessity unless you are sick or deal with people who are potentially sick. At work we weren't allowed to wear masks and gloves in any way, but the decision was overturned a while later.

Oh. That's really weird. I think it is neccessary because wearing mask will protect you better than just washing your hand. In my country you must wear mask when you at public.
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US now holds the record for most number of COVID-19 cases with the total of 82,000+ known cases.
Whoa!! That's a lot!

To all of the guys living in America: STAY SAFE, GUYS!!
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@PMH: CDC doesn't advise healthy people to wear facemasks in order to prevent respiratory diseases. They should only wear them if their health care provider tells them to do so. I dunno why, I'm not sure if it has something in common with limited amounts of the masks or no necessity if you don't deal with COVID-19's syndroms.

@USA: Goddammit, I didn't expect this to happen so quickly. Stay home unless it's needed to go outside, folks!
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I still remember when I just wanted to buy one pack of toilet paper but they had nothing left and I had to go to 4 to 5 different stores.

The good thing is you can only take one pack of toilet paper now

I hope everything calms down soon
Originally posted by PMH
Oh. That's really weird. I think it is neccessary because wearing mask will protect you better than just washing your hand. In my country you must wear mask when you at public.

Guess what? COVID-19 viruses don't need to get into your mouth and nose (which the mask do protect), they can also get into your eyes (which the mask don't protect) and infect you that way. They're only effective if you already have the virus and don't want to spread it more. In other words: They protect others from getting the virus, not you from the others. And no, just because you wear a mask doesn't mean you're immune to the virus.
Think of toilet paper: Is it a sign of hygine? Yes. Does it help you to protect you against viruses? No.

The only way to prevent getting sick is to make sure you don't touch your eyes unless you know your hands are safe (i.e. wash your hands) you're and keep a distance from other people.

Originally posted by MarioFanGamer
Guess what? COVID-19 viruses don't need to get into your mouth and nose (which the mask do protect), they can also get into your eyes (which the mask don't protect) and infect you that way. They're only effective if you already have the virus and don't want to spread it more. In other words: They protect others from getting the virus, not you from the others. And no, just because you wear a mask doesn't mean you're immune to the virus.
Think of toilet paper: Is it a sign of hygine? Yes. Does it help you to protect you against viruses? No.

The only way to prevent getting sick is to make sure you don't touch your eyes unless you know your hands are safe (i.e. wash your hands) you're and keep a distance from other people.

Well I think masks DO protect you from the virus. Do you know why there are so many cases in Europe and in US? The reason is people don't wear masks and they think masks are unnecessary. And I know that wearing mask doesn't mean that you're immune to the virus, but it's a good thing to do. Also, I think Europeans and Americans discriminate mask so they don't wear it.
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There's a lot of cases in the US because our glorious leader told everyone not to worry about it and to not take precautions. He even wants to lift all stay at home orders by easter.

Masks help but a face shield helps more.

Not wearing masks is not the reason for cases in the US.
It’s wrong to claim that masks are useless just because they don’t perfectly protect. Covering two out of three entry areas (eyes/nose/mouth) is a hell of a lot better than covering none.

Not a lot of cases here, but it’s just a matter of time honestly. Hasn’t stopped businesses from closing. I moved out at the very beginning of march which as it turned out was the perfect time to do so as my old town currently has many cases and is in lockdown.
On masks, people here are being advised to only wear them if they suspect they might be infected, so it doesn't pass on to others. They're effective in that case. For self-protection, you're better off keeping some distance from people, washing your hands often, not taking your dirty hands to your face and so forth.
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
Yeah, masks' primary purposes are to mitigate people affected by Covid-19 from spreading the desease.

Given the fact you're constantly adjusting the mask with your hands, taking it on/off, etc, there isn't much protection against the virus at all (your mask actually becomes a contamination vector), particularly because even by rubbing your eyes, you are subject to get infected.
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Shopping is a nightmare now, the queues are as long as the car park at superstores because we're trying to socially space inside stores. I went shopping for my grandparents and used disposable gloves to avoid cross-contamination. Left shopping at their front door. I think they're finally getting it now.

I tell them it's not hypochondriacs filling hospital hallways with people fighting for their life and having the Italian military carry hundreds of bodies. We have the same contagion!

Wash your hands.



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There is simulation which shows how COVID-19 viruses (and viruses which spread through droplets in general) spread. It's an interesting video (a must-watch, in facz) since there are multiple simulations (including radius of infections, spread of infections, multiple communities, travelling etc.). All of these examples show why social distancing and quarantines are necessary and why we shouldn't neglect them (and also why it's especially stupid to unnecesserily travel between communities or heck, just go to a central meeting point).
Even Boris Johnson, who first preferred to go the quick route (infect everyone), realised that the UK or at least their healthcare would have collapsed.

I also have look at John Hopkins University's data about COVID-19 cases but let's talk about maths: It isn't completely true that virus spread exponentially but they start as one. In fact, the full graph (i.e. from beginning to end) is a logistical curve which is a transformed arctangent function. So far, only China, where the epidemic initially started, and South Korea, which also has the virus under control, have such a curve but all other countries don't.

In Germany, the sitution still is under control. While we have the fifth most cases world wide and third most cases in Europe, we still have a relatively small death toll (13 infected + recovered people per dead person). As such, it is one of the few European countries which can actually take off some load of other countries, especially Italy.

Originally posted by kamekku14
US now holds the record for most number of COVID-19 cases with the total of 82,000+ known cases.
Whoa!! That's a lot!

To all of the guys living in America: STAY SAFE, GUYS!!

The comparison isn't completely fair since the US is a much more populous country than... every individual European country. For example, Italy and France have got together less people than the US but more cases.
However, the US is still at the beginning of the epidemic since there more dead people than those who have recovered. It doesn't help that the US, while less densely populated than Europe in general, it has got more dense cities (e.g. New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.) so the virus has got a much easier time to spread there.
What is a problem is that everyone wants to go back to business after Eastern. It's already a bad idea for Europe (maximally Italy since they have been under quarantine for longer) but it's even scarier for the US since they are at the aforementioned beginning of the pandemic.

Originally posted by PMH
Well I think masks DO protect you from the virus. Do you know why there are so many cases in Europe and in US? The reason is people don't wear masks and they think masks are unnecessary. And I know that wearing mask doesn't mean that you're immune to the virus, but it's a good thing to do. Also, I think Europeans and Americans discriminate mask so they don't wear it.

The actual problem is that we humans like to touch our faces (so much for face masks being a "better protection" than washing your hands) and people tend to cough and sneezeing into their hands instead of elbows (assuming they have no handkerchief ready). It's true that face masks are better than nothing but their effectiveness is limited (they only work properly so long they're dry) and if an person coughs /sneezes towards you, it's hard for them to not cough /sneeze towards the upper half of your face.
This is why face masks are more a placebo than actually effective for healthy people.
Originally posted by PMH
Well I think masks DO protect you from the virus. Do you know why there are so many cases in Europe and in US? The reason is people don't wear masks and they think masks are unnecessary. And I know that wearing mask doesn't mean that you're immune to the virus, but it's a good thing to do. Also, I think Europeans and Americans discriminate mask so they don't wear it.


This is not even remotely true yo. The reason the US and Europe are so affected by this is because of our stupid leaders. Especially the US, the oompa loompa is trying to tell everyone to not worry and it'll blow over. It's not just him either it's the state and local governments. The US is actually a federation, each state acts as its own sovereign nation (to a degree), each one has its own legislature and "president" (governor). Each with a varying degree of ideals. The states that support Trump and the people with an R next to their name are the ones who are hesitating on shutting their states down for the most part.

New York and Washington State however are outliers in this situation. More and more states are getting onboard with the lockdowns as well. The boyfriend in Arizona who is a nurse, tells me that if their Republican governor (who doesn't believe the hype) does not shut their state down, all nurses and doctors will go on strike. According to the data which was extrapolated, they have less than a month (probably sooner) to do so. As for Trump wanting to reopen the country by Easter, tough luck. The president does not control the private sector, the states can and will defy him in this instance because they can. The point of going on lockdown is to mitigate the spread of the virus as much as we can. There will be deaths absolutely but when the hospitals have reached capacity like we saw in Italy and cases still keep coming in at an exponential rate there will be more people that will needlessly perish.

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It’s wrong to claim that masks are useless just because they don’t perfectly protect. Covering two out of three entry areas (eyes/nose/mouth) is a hell of a lot better than covering none.

Not a lot of cases here, but it’s just a matter of time honestly. Hasn’t stopped businesses from closing. I moved out at the very beginning of march which as it turned out was the perfect time to do so as my old town currently has many cases and is in lockdown.


Face masks people buy in places like hardware stores are infact useless for someone looking to prevent getting it themselves, theyre more for fine particulates not microscopic organisms. You'd need medical grade or a good respirator for that. They're more for people who already have symptoms who wish to not spread it to others.


As far as my state is concerned. Things have come to a halt. Shops are finally implementing social distancing policies, limiting how many people can be inside at any given time and the roads are absolutely dead. The largest population centers of the state, silence. It's quite spooky tbh. As of 28 March, California has ~5,000 cases and ~200 deaths.
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Originally posted by PMH
Well I think masks DO protect you from the virus. Do you know why there are so many cases in Europe and in US? The reason is people don't wear masks and they think masks are unnecessary.


I find that claim to be debateable, considering the pandemic started in China where (as far as I'm aware) people tend to wear face masks more often. They still had over 80.000 infections over there. Granted, it's a lower percentage of infected people than Europe or the US have, but I'd say that's because their preventive measures were better. My point is, if face masks where that effective, China probably wouldn't have gotten to 80.000 infections in the first place.
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Our state is still under "commercial quarantine", which means no non-essential commerce should be open, only essential commerce and the industry, as well as transportation companies (most likely so that exports still go on). And I think it's actually working, the number of new cases being reported every day have been going down for the past week.

The interesting thing about commerce here in São Paulo, is that people will often times get very densely packed in commercial areas in order to visit any stores they want to. It's recommended for people to stay at least 1 meter apart from each other, so that would be one person per 2m² (1 meter in every direction) or 0.5/m². Crowds and public transportation can easily surpass 6/m², twelve times more than it should at a time like this. As I like to say, even sardine cans can't get this crowded!

That's why the partial quarantine is important. Ideally, an even stricter quarantine would've been helpful too, but there's complicated politics around that. Basically, our governor, while actually doing something good with the quarantine, still allowed carnival to happen back in February unrestricted. It's clear he's only doing these measures when it's convenient for him to do so, so people aren't wrong to criticize him there.

But for God's sake, could Bolsonaro just not embarrass the entire country for once? Most of his critiques are unfounded, and it's the government's job to provide some financial aid for the people during an EPIDEMIC of all things. Any formal employee here already will be on paid leave should any company fire them, the government (federal or state) can and should bank the informal workers. The fact that people are actually buying his words is even worse. It'll be tougher for those who are autonomous workers or owners of small businesses. But again, shouldn't be a problem as long as they're legalized business and as long as the government is willing to give some financial aid.

Like I said, the commercial quarantine in our state looks like it's already working, so it's possible that things will start getting back to normal mid-April (around the 20th is my guess), which if it does, it'll mean that everyone will just experience one tough month (financially speaking) until we're back on track, which means only one month for the government to bank people's financial aid. Maybe that's a bit optimistic, but still, a government as big as Brazil's really shouldn't be having this issue.

One thing I will agree with him though is that people shouldn't be panicking over it either. Stores running out of supplies is bad for everyone, and many are having to restrict how much you can purchase at any given time because of that. Pharmacies are also running out of supplies, supplies which the public health sector needs.

São Paulo currently has 1406 cases and 84 deaths (6%), while Brazil as a whole 3904 cases and 114 deaths (3%).
He really is sure this is just a media plot.





Both of these are snaps from videos he posted himself, today, telling the population of Brasília to keep working. People aglomerate around him in support of his discourse.

The first one is particularly heart-breaking. The salesman in blue admits it sadly really is a matter of either exposing yourself from the virus or starving to death. He says he'd really rather not die from either, and finishes off by saying his health has been fine.

In the second video, what struck my attention the most was an mid-aged woman's request: "president, please reopen the churches".
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
For someone who treats the virus as a "little flu" and has an athletic background, he's sure to be so open about it. I mean, I'm stunned at how some people are still looking up to him after that.
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UK's showing little signs of slowing down and I'm struggling heavily with LDE I barely go out (once in the past 2 weeks) and try to wash my hands more. I'm also beuing affected by the fact that my dad's been talking on the phone about the virus and he's even loader than usual (really loud) so I guess the virus is affecting some people in unusual ways. At least I've been messing around with Android Studio and malware more (don't question my life please).
Originally posted by Katerpie
"little flu"

Don't you think little is a tiny bit of an understatement?
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Don't you think little is a tiny bit of an understatement?

It is
But I'm not the one that originally said it in the first place lol
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