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Originally posted by K.T.B.
It's interesting you bring up this point since just the other day on the Discord some users were discussing very similar points you are, but were afraid of actually speaking their mind in case of receiving backlash for their opinions. You're definitely right that this site seems to often push new users away nowadays and has an air of hostility toward them, though I'm not sure of what could solve this.

I did say I wanted to make a thread to see if we could discuss more about this problem without the thread completely falling apart, but not only do I not know how to do it, I don't know exactly what I would even talk about in that thread in the first place.

But I guess I can start with something that I just haven't really understood lately:



Yes, that is webcomicname. This situation is: when a person, instead of openly (but respectfully!) voicing their concern, complaint or disagreement, hide their complaint behind jokes, sarcasm and the like.

This, um, I don't really understand this. The internet is naturally full of places with sarcasm and memes, that's no problem when it's all good-natured, but when you hide your complaints behind it, it becomes kind of messy to understand. Maybe others react differently, but I personally have difficulty interpreting a complaint when its worded like that. Are they personally attacking the other person? Are they having a bad day? How do you react to it? Do you just write another witty response and potentially let it dissolve into an insult-fest?

Why the need to voice your opinions like that either?

I don't want people to feel alienated, because this might just be my way of looking at things, but, why not assume good faith? I can understand not assuming good faith when it's somewhere else on the internet, like Reddit, or 4chan, or wherever else when you really don't have the time to care about some rando behind a bunch of letters*, but here? Is the level of trust we have in this community that low? I don't think it is.

*Side note: I personally try to assume good faith even in situations where it's actually detrimental to do so, but that can wear down on you, which is why I understand that others might not always do this.

I am so going to hate myself for writing this post.

Uh, for example, remember the whole discussion in the Bar & Grill about Skewer's avatar? I never actually commented on it because, well, it was already after the whole thing happened and I didn't want to bring it up again and potentially cause more arguing and etc. But, the original complaint done toward the avatar was...reasonable but way too filled with sarcasm, to the point where it felt like the post had both an reasonable argument in it and also a personal attack. So, when there was a reply, how did it end up? A reply to what felt a personal attack is likely to be...another personal attack! How fun!

And then the situation was resolved, I think. I'll be honest, I don't know if it has, I don't know if it left a sour taste on anyone or if it's actually something that's completely been solved so far. I don't know! I've been afraid of bringing it up to anyone ever since! People would probably think that me, trying to bring that discussion back, would just be trying to defend my side of the argument, and from there it would go downhill again.

That's another thing that's been bothering me, everything being about "grab one side of the argument, defend it to hell and do whatever against those on the other side of the argument". I don't think that's actually a problem on SMWC most of the time, but it became apparent on the whole "Culture and Censorship" thing. That said, boy oh boy I am not going to write any more words about that here, because that was a mess far more complicated than this.

Is this side-tracking the thread? Is this even relevant? I tried making this post compact and to the point, but I might have made it confusing in the process. I just, don't even know at this point.
Mind posting some examples of the behavior you've been observing, Slame? Simple venting about nondescript, unseen high-and-mighty dickheaded-ness doesn't do much for fully addressing the issue at hand.

@RanAS I do that kinda shit webcomicnamae was pointing all the time to my friends, but that's on a much more intimate level of understanding. Doing it to random people is just kinda ??? why intentionally shoot your argument in the foot with a fallacy right off the bat? Terrible way to conduct yourself.
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Originally posted by RanAS
But, the original complaint done toward the avatar was...reasonable but way too filled with sarcasm, to the point where it felt like the post had both an reasonable argument in it and also a personal attack. So, when there was a reply, how did it end up? A reply to what felt a personal attack is likely to be...another personal attack! How fun!


That situation never was reasonable when the person had sarcasm done in a snarky way regarding that post, plus the fact that like, having curves is apparently enough to make an avatar be considered NSFW according to the staff in question, which I found to be overly broad there. Not a hard concept.

Also im surprised that this thread is still open when the OP has like, zero actual evidence of more users doing mean things to newbies and im surprised we are taking this seriously when tbh, we shouldnt unless SlameGut has actual evidence to back up her claims.
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Originally posted by Sinc-X
We've seen attempts at stricter rules come and go in the past. The problem is that in a small community like this, they don't work. Integrity of user relationships is crucial to holding these tightly crafted places together, unlike larger boards where each indidivual is just another fish in the sea, and imposing harsh rules breaks that integrity and makes everyone uncomfortable. While in a perfect world strict rules would be the solution, trying to do it here would make an unhealthy environment for everyone.

These are problems with every niche community. They're just part of their nature. They are purely societal issues, and that's not something you can just "fix". Fixing societal problems takes years and years of development, and--quite frankly--to little actual avail.

The best course of action as I see it is probably to implement some guidelines for interacting with newcomers, which shouldn't have much impact on regular operations.


As much as I want to take this post seriously, having the title of 'dickwad supreme' makes it rather hard to do so. Perhaps it's not the best to be involved when clearly, you don't give a shit about how newcomers, especially young ones, look towards swearing.

On a forum about hacking a semi-kid's game. Why does this never seem to ever get through to someone?
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Originally posted by Latios


As much as I want to take this post seriously, having the title of 'dickwad supreme' makes it rather hard to do so. Perhaps it's not the best to be involved when clearly, you don't give a shit about how newcomers, especially young ones, look towards swearing.

On a forum about hacking a semi-kid's game. Why does this never seem to ever get through to someone?


Maybe consider that his title is a joke? Plenty of users have titles that arent meant to be taken seriously or literally. That shouldn't invalidate the point they make tho.
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Yeah, you're not helping your case by trying to call people out on insignificant details to invalidate their arguments. This is the internet, not a professional business meeting. Swearing (which is a term you're already using incredibly loosely) is no more common here than anywhere else, "kid-friendly" or otherwise. I guarantee most kids by the time they're here have been fully exposed to it through online videos or even just real life, and they're going to learn it eventually anyway. (I should also note that you're calling me out for "swearing" in this thread. Did you even read the first post?)

In any case this thread is starting to verge into flaming territory. Closing before anyone else is wrongfully accused of any other ridiculous nonsense.
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