1) In hindsight less serious headlines weren't a good idea
Originally posted by leodOriginally posted by ThePat5452) Ackchyually Vitor's entirely to blame for everything that isn't the judging
[Gigantic post about maths and how Vitor isn't to blame for the judging]
So... you arrived at the same conclusion, that Vitor isn't to blame for the judging, which is what everyone said and what your headline said as well.
It felt like the headline was written as mockingly as it is cause you were trying to debunk it, but you didn't? Was that intended?
no it's just a stupid headline don't worry about it lmao
2) There is actually some blame though
Originally posted by leodAlso, as we said a bunch of times, there is absolutely no blame that can be placed on any of the judges. They dedicated a FUCKTON of time, 358 hours according to your calculations -- which are bound to be hella inaccurate but there's a number there. That is approximately 200 times as much time as anyone else has dedicated to the VLDCX meta management by every single one of them, and they have pulled through.
That's an incredibly large time commitment to do something that stops being fun after the first 50 mediocre boring levels by inexperienced level designers, which is where the burnout comes from that all the judges experienced.
Don't get me wrong, and I probably should have said this sooner: I wholeheartedly respect the judges and their dedication, and my intent isn't to doubt the judges (at least entirely) and certainly not to demean the amount of work they've put into this. In fact, I even stated that Just gave Sinc-X the benefits of the doubt since he hosted Idol. But my own 358 hours number you used against me was the final total, assuming all of these levels were done at the time of posting, with a generous doubled amount of time given to be considerate towards different levels of skill.
What I intend to point out is that even under the worst direction, the judges would know full well what responsibility they were accepting by looking at how many replies the rules and submissions thread has. There were a lot of complaints even then (as far as I know) regarding the quality of the levels, and they still accepted this.
Since I don't know the conditions behind Derpy, Torchkas, and Frost's leave, I'll leave those situations alone. But the 2 replacement judges undoubtedly knew the responsibility too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, if the VLDCX team had doubts about whether the judges would be committed and dedicated until the deadline they set, they wouldn't have been chosen at all. If I'm not mistaken, all of these judges were interviewed beforehand, correct?
The judges taking on the responsibility they're aware of, along with the approximate 195 days they had (being generous here, the original judges had 2 months longer) gave them plenty of time to plan out what to do, etc. Just going to say I'm aware of the original ~2 months deadline, but idol has stated that "deadlines are shit" if nobody wants to work on them, which has clearly been displayed over this 8-month wait. Ignoring the original deadline that definitely was anything that isn't enforced, even with a hypothetical 2-month handicap for the original judges, the total days they have been given is 195 days. Again, I don't doubt the judges' dedication, at least entirely, because according to my calculations they have dedicated more than enough time to prove that they are. What I'm saying is that, as even Noivern has said, judging has taken too long. They're not lazy, far from it, but they haven't put in as much time as they should.
I also still don't have a response to my question, why most of the judges refused to reveal their progress (not even which levels specifically, just how many as Noivern did) for an entire 6-8 months. What I believe, and, what I'd like to think more than 1 person believes, is that this refusal is what has caused some of the tension during the waiting process.
3) My calculations are actually quite good m9
Originally posted by leodThat's why your calculations are bad, by the way. They don't get anything out of judging this beast comprised for the most part of average, way too long levels so motivation dwindles and leaves them with less and less will to do it.
I wouldn't say bad, at least for that reason anyway. There's plenty other reasons why they could be bad (leaving out bathroom breaks, eating; assuming nothing other than work and sleep has taken place) but this isn't one of them. I took Noivern's longest video into consideration, while assuming lolyoshi (being a speedrunner, casually doing the wall jump glitch for shits and giggles) has a higher skill level. I can't speak much for the other judges since I can't accurately evaluate their skill levels, so with what little info I did have I took the liberty of using and even doubling the amount of time Noivern took with his longest video. With what I had, I believe I did a rather good job.
4) You're letting Vitor off too easily here
Originally posted by leodI could pretend like this is Vitor's fault cause nobody else was allowed any say in ANYTHING regarding VLDCX, so he made the decision to just use the standard "all judges play all these levels" approach, but I doubt anyone could've foreseen the effects this would have on judges.
No, we can stack something on top of what he's made mistakes on, and it's directly related to the workload the judges were presented with in the first place. Overhyping it as "The 10th Annual Vanilla Level Design Contest," describing his ambitious plans for it, and how much time people had to submit entries (nearly 2 months), he's responsible for his own system failing. Had the deadline been more reasonable, we likely wouldn't even be discussing the points regarding the judges right now.
5) Vitor's a dick and I explained this in this post so 20 minutes saved nice
Originally posted by leodBut what I can pin on Vitor once again, is the way he mistreated the judges from the get-go. (tl;dr vitor was a dick lol)
So uh yeah tl;dr the judges are to blame less than you are. At least they finished what they set out to do and dedicated 350 hours minimum of their lives to this, all while being made to feel like they're not allowed to take breaks or do something else because then their time will turn red and Vitor will complain to them in DMs.
Not gonna lie, that was really assholic on his side. But I already talked about how none of the judges ended up following the deadline, already calculated how much free time they would have even after handicapping my own argument several times, and the judges knowing what they would be facing. There's also the fact that Vitor's been gone for 3 months now, so Vitor complaining about the judges stopped being valid a long time ago.
6) What am I doing with my life
Originally posted by leod(Not to mention Vitor did not bother to get any replacement judges on board, that is idol's doing.)
So idol has been actively working on the VLDCX team at least since the announcement 6 months ago? That means my handicapped calculations take place entirely under idol's direction, more or less, and Vitor had nothing to do with what I put together. My calculations weren't bad st all if we're going by what you said.
7) God damn ninjas and their flying machines
Originally posted by KoopsterI like how Pat emphasized Brazilian work hours when I'm the only Brazilian judge lol
yeah sorry that wasn't meant to be personal lmao forgive me koopy
Originally posted by KoopsterAlso 4 judges finished and not 5
my calculations took into account the final total of hours if they did, I don't think we'd be waiting much longer if all 5 judges were finished
Originally posted by Koopsteralso holy shit the targetting on Vitor is real. he screwed up. sad day. we all do.
he had the best of his intentions.
to be fair he wasn't very nice to that 6th judge and dumped an overly ambitious project on everyone else, also this isn't the first time one of his contests haven't gone smoothly
8) Another tl;dr for those of you watching this at home
Lots of misinterpretation about my quick maffs, Vitor's a dick, the judges still hold some responsibility, and my quick maffs are pretty valid for someone who can't read minds, also God damn ninjas and their flying machines