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Post Leniency Policy

The general idea of this thrad was that shitposting is a manufactured/artificial/subjective/etc concept and that everything should be allowed, even if the post is useless or has nothing to do with the topic. Raiden even gave an example saying that it's okay to post a heavy metal video in a thread about France because apparently saying "creme brulée" makes you think about heavy metal. So, only porn, illegal material, spambots and personal attacks should be moderated.

The thread WAS asking the staff not to moderate, at least in everything regarding shitposting, and now you guys are saying that's not what you wanted. If you only wanted to joke around, then there was no reason for a policy change, SMWC has always been more lenient towards jokes and whatnot than most of the forums I've seen. But everything has to be done with moderation, remove that moderation and you get the total chaos that GD turned into. Right now I feel like if I want to start a serious discussion about a topic that interests me, I won't be able to because my thread will be filled with nonsensical jokes and nothing related to the discussion I want to start.
Intentionally shitty posts in GD have slowly started to cool down. So you could go right ahead and start a serious discussion if you truly want to.

Though, there's no doubt someone is going to go overboard the moment they see this shit so sincerely fuck you my dude.
Originally posted by Najeraldo
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Raiden is kind of the odd one out because he really does want literally no moderation and he isn't complaining about anything still.
People didn't say anything against what Raiden was saying because it seemed like it was basically the same thing, nobody expected that 12 year olds like ThePat would take the freedom as far as possible to the eleventh gates of hell and post the shittiest post anyone on this site has ever seen in rapid succession for a week nonstop.


And no, your point about not having to change anything is wrong. SMWC sure has had a history of being super lenient regarding jokes, but for the past few months before this change it was legitimately terrible, any small joke got a thread closed.
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Originally posted by leod
Raiden is kind of the odd one out because he really does want literally no moderation and he isn't complaining about anything still.
People didn't say anything against what Raiden was saying because it seemed like it was basically the same thing

A lot of people said they agreed with raiden or said very similar things. And he made it very clear that he wanted no moderation.

Originally posted by leod
nobody expected that 12 year olds like ThePat would take the freedom as far as possible to the eleventh gates of hell and post the shittiest post anyone on this site has ever seen in rapid succession for a week nonstop.

With no rules enforced, it should be obvious something like this was going to happen sooner or later. I expected it would happen later, actually.

Originally posted by leod
And no, your point about not having to change anything is wrong. SMWC sure has had a history of being super lenient regarding jokes, but for the past few months before this change it was legitimately terrible, any small joke got a thread closed.

I was going to ask for a [citation needed] here but I decided to go in and check it myself. Other than the "do you" thread chain which would have been trashed if it was posted in 2010 anyway, there are a lot of joke threads from March trashed by sixcorby, so you are partly right, but there are also several joke threads in GD from before the policy that are still open or remained opened long enough (like that k4fka thread), so "any small joke got a thread closed" is wrong.

But enough of that, getting to the point, can we agree with the "keep your serious in serious threads and joke in joke threads" approach I posted in that thread, or is that too much to ask?
No, nobody liked that for a reason.
Jokes have appropriate times, be it in a joke thread or a serious thread.
The only real problem is a select few people posting terrible, terrible posts that hardly qualify as jokes and lack wit of any kind in every thread their beady little eyes can spot on the forum index, and I'm not sure how to fix that cause it might actually somehow by some weird trick of evolution be funny to those people and it isn't really right to say "no, only post the things I find funny" (and it's hard to enforce something like that).

Also I wasn't talking about joke threads. I was talking about serious/casual conversation threads going down because someone posted a more or less witty joke (still ten million times more witty than the recent trash) and someone else dared to respond to it in any way, thus apparently derailing and ruining the thread for all eternity, leaving it to no other fate than death. (That's exaggerated on purpose because I think that has to be what staff was thinking when closing them, nothing else would make sense.)
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The forum is pretty much okay now. Sixcorby and a few others took care of the excessive trash, and it seems to have ceased. There is no problem with the current moderation.

The userbase just needed a bit of time to adapt, which is expectable.
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
I agree with Impetus. THIS MY HOUSE REEEEEEEEE is a stupid metaphor and ya'll should be ashamed because reading this thread made me cringe hard because of it.

It's not a hard concept. Certain staff need to learn to take out the sticks in their asses when it comes jokes and quality memeing, and know the difference between that and straight up shite, spam, and hate speech.

You know what, since the THIS IS MY BEDROOOM REEEEE analogy is trendy:
It's fine for your wife's teenage son's room to have a few papers and clothes lying around with an unkempt bed. But it isn't fine to have literal trash covering the entire floor while mice and cockroaches clear out rotting pizza inside stacks of pizza boxes at the corner of the room while an old deep fryer filled with grease that's been there since 2004 sits under the bed after it broke and your wife's son just never bothered to get rid of it because he stays on his computer all day eating his breakfast, lunch, and dinner there and leaving all plates and leftovers by the computer floor while his bed is covered in mounds of years old used, musky, sweaty, dusty clothing filled with dried semen that he sleeps on it because there's no space on the bed anymore while the connecting bathroom has literal decades of caked urine on the seat while hardened feces has clogged half of the plumbing and the shower tiles covered with hardened soap scum as salmonella and and flesh eating bacteria cover everything and a black mold happily creates a civilization on the corner ceiling.

That. There's a difference between that.
I'm quite surprised that all of you wanted no moderation, yet expected there to be no trash and everyone would act civilized without the staff's help. I'm not quite sure what planet people with this mindset were living on.

OF COURSE there would be trash in GD up the wazoo! So now that everyone has learned the obvious lesson, we all come to this thread complaining to staff and almost wanting the old policy back. I'll repeat what I said in Wuthering's recent thread in Site Questions: All we're doing is showing the staff that we're whiny, spoiled little children who can't be satisfied with any decisions made by staff. I think Lightvayne was right in calling us children here. And for anyone concerned about our PR now that we are allowing the kinds of posts that we're allowing: take a look at this thread and Wuthering's thread in Site Questions. More drama. That's got to look good on the outside, right? (In other words, shitposting is really the least of our community/PR problems right now.)

Setting aside my thoughts on my observations here, I pretty much have the same opinions as Raiden everywhere but the 3 places Skewer mentioned these opinions shouldn't apply: Reality Corner and some of the Works Feedback forums. Because I for one am happy with the new staff moderation and don't mind showing it. And GD is pretty much the main forum I go to. For some reason I'm not bothered by seeing the community have some fun.
Xyspade: Re-read the thread. Actually, better yet, re-read basically any discussion about this that took place before the policy was set. Nowhere did anyone, not even one person, ask for "no moderation". All anyone asked for was a little more leniency because APPARENTLY* legitimately good/funny threads were beong trashed by the staff when they didn't needto be, and the staff went a little too far in their response.

*(I personally don't recall that ever happening but everyone keeps saying I did so either I somehow missed it every time with my somewhat decreased activity for the past while or some people have been over-exaggerating).
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Originally posted by Xyspade
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It seems like you didn't understand a single thing from this thread much like how no one will understand what you say with that layout.
Xyspade seriously, stop trying to make this situation seem like it's way worse than it is. Also stop trying to sound smart over misinformation. :|
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
Originally posted by Najeraldo
The general idea of this thrad was that shitposting is a manufactured/artificial/subjective/etc concept and that everything should be allowed, even if the post is useless or has nothing to do with the topic. Raiden even gave an example saying that it's okay to post a heavy metal video in a thread about France because apparently saying "creme brulée" makes you think about heavy metal. So, only porn, illegal material, spambots and personal attacks should be moderated.

The thread WAS asking the staff not to moderate, at least in everything regarding shitposting, and now you guys are saying that's not what you wanted.
And that is also what I took from that thread. If that isn't the case, that's news to me. You people either have an odd way of wording it or I have an odd way of interpreting it. You will all probably say it's the latter, and I'll admit that's probably true.

However, that doesn't make anything I said after "old policy back." any less true, and of course everyone just ignored that part.

Originally posted by Koopster
Xyspade seriously, stop trying to make this situation seem like it's way worse than it is.
I dunno about you, but I consider 4 threads, 2 of which are in Announcements, 2 of which so far have 8 combined pages of drama and debate about something, and a lot of users posting, pretty bad.

Also darkened layout, thanks for the feedback.
I see a lot of debate (fairly, rather pointless debate), but where's the drama?
aj is also one of these who misunderstood us. Did you only read what he wrote and not what was replied to him?

We're not whiny children and unsatisfied with every staff decision either, way to call out a lot of people there. We fought for a compromise and staff is already doing what we asked for. Just look at Vitor's reply.

All y'all just stop bumping a dead horse
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
Well it was considered drama when people were voicing their opinions about DeePay's "harsh" judging style and wanting that changed; this seems pretty similar.

I quoted Najeraldo because I wanted to show what I took out of that thread so you know why I replied the way I did; he already put his interpretation into words so I didn't have to. Looking at the responses to him, well...

Leod: I've learned to take most things he has to say with a grain of salt, because I sometimes can't tell when he's messing with people and when he isn't

...aaaand that seems to be the only people who directly responded to him before I posted here first.

I'm only calling out what I'm witnessing.

Okay, the one thing I must have skipped was Vitor's reply, though I was looking for more of a reply from Lightvayne. But let's not skip over the fact that that compromise was mentioned a page ago already and people are still debating this. Indeed, stop bumping a dead horse please, and I'll do the same. Anyone who wants me to continue with this can PM me or talk to me on IRC or something.
maybe you should just stick with that shitty smwc knock-off you made a while back

Originally posted by Deputy BS
maybe you should just stick with that shitty smwc knock-off you made a while back


Yeah that type of stuff in uncalled for DBS. Stick with your meme's, your better at that.

Anyways, I've been meaning to respond here for a while now, but it's been busy at work and stuff. Anyways, the staff team and I are hearing all the complaints, concerns, compliments, etc that you all have and we are currently reworking the rules so we can have a happy medium.
Layout by LDA during C3.
I've been wanting to post the above (from LV) for a while now, but always thought "Maybe I shouldn't do that." Glad to know the userbase will now be aware that we are moving forward with making changes; whether or not they'll be as big as LV and I hope they can be is a different story, but we ultimately hope to come to a rule set that everybody will willingly accept.
Nice to hear!
Fantastic guys. Glad to hear the staff listens to the userbase, even if they're not quite all sure what they want.
Originally posted by Xyspade
Fantastic guys. Glad to hear the staff listens to the userbase, even if they're not quite all sure what they want.

Above all else I want to get rid of your idea that you're somehow "above everyone else" when you're actually just another shitter barely worth anyone's attention.